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Re: (Open-source) Animated short made with Synfig

Postby KonstantinDmitriev » Sun Oct 02, 2016 9:43 pm

Hello everyone! Thanks to everyone for the feedback. Two months passed by since the release, I was able to get a little breath, dust is settling down and now it's time to put some clarifications. ^__^

BobSynfig, thank you for taking your time on dropping announcement here.

darkspace65 wrote:... great animation, but it's quit a style breach from the demo.

In fact, the Demo was a "demonstration of possibility", not "demonstration fo the style". We have ongoing experiments with the style, and let me assure you - they will continue. ^__^ (In this regard you might want to take a look at Morevna 3D). You have a great opportunity to watch and follow the our style investigations and its evolution. Just sit back and enjoy the show!

darkspace65 wrote:I don't recall seeing episode 1 and two?

We are producing episodes inconsequently.

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Re: (Open-source) Animated short made with Synfig

Postby KonstantinDmitriev » Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:49 pm

Ok, now for unhappy ones. Illustrated. ^_^

Svarov wrote:... it's... bad. I... I wanted to write a detailed critique but I am afraid to insult artists and developers.
...
I even skipped some moments


Well, you did skipped some moments? How can you judge and pretend for consistency then? ^__^

Svarov wrote:this cartoon doesn't have any "atmosphere", there's no soul in it. For example, humor is just incredibly bad


214 YouTube users are not agree with you. Seriously. prooflink

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Svarov wrote:And the animation... In the demo we saw a cool vector morphing animation, the thing Synfig was made for, and it was pretty awesome. Here we see some lame bone animation that looks like a cheap flash cartoon. And this is supposed to promote Synfig? Good luck.


Morevna Episode 3 is available here and here. In 2 months it is gained ~12k views on YouTube. That's 6k views per month.

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Morevna Demo is available here and here. For 4 years (47 months, to be exact) it is gained ~90k views. That's less than 2k views per month.

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By this moment Morevna Episode 3 gained (214 + 89)=303 upvotes and (10 + 7)=17 downvotes.
Satisfaction rate is 303/(303+17)*100% = 94,7%

Morevna Demo gained (410 + 66) = 476 upvotes and (41 + 14) = 55 downvotes.
Satisfaction rate is 476/(476 + 55)*100% = 89,6%

Conclusion: Episode 3 is performing better than the demo.

As we used to say in Russia - "Statistic is stubborn thing". ^__^

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Re: (Open-source) Animated short made with Synfig

Postby KonstantinDmitriev » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:25 am

darkspace65 wrote:no time was spend on improving real (morphing) vector animation

This is not correct. The bone system was improved with consideration of vector tools - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbI6TeAHbgs

EDIT: Also, let me mention, that with the new Cobra engine vector is faster now.

Svarov wrote:... inability to change a shape after you've linked it to the skeleton. You can try to change it, but it will produce strange effects, especially if you're trying to change tangents.

This is also not correct. It is possible change vertices after you linked to skeleton. See the same video at 7:50 - https://youtu.be/NbI6TeAHbgs?t=7m50s

About the "strange effects" my only guess is that you need to understand that editing shape gives different results depending if Animation Mode is on or off.

If you examine source files of Episode 3, you will notice that in many shots (i.e. shot 64) we are combining bitmap images with vector elements. There are no problems with tangents there.

Svarov wrote:... the implementation of bone system is still crummy.
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But there's positive news - the new Cobra engine was tested during production and this means the new stable release is coming soon!

darkspace65 wrote:Lets hope the new build will finally bring some speed and stability to the windows version.

The situation is worse, than you think.

Initially I was expecting to get support from Synfig community. Unfortunately, this didn't worked. So, I was forced to delay the release of Episode 3 and invested my personal funds to pay our hired developer for all necessary developments. That way we've got tons of bug fixed and got lipsync features by integrating Synfig with Papagayo. But as result I've got a major debt and that means I won't be able to invest in development in the nearest time. The sales of Synfig Training Course are slowly covering the debt for me, but this is a long process.

That means you shouldn't expect any major development/fixes in the nearest time (well, expect the big memory usage fix). Most likely we will just release current dev version as it is. At the end, it is proven as usable in Morevna production.


darkspace65 wrote:I agree. It seems they started to work on bone deformation even before the bone system in itself was stable. As it is now, you can not copy bones, reuse rigged characters and if you make a mistake during rigging you might as well start over cos it is a pain in the behind to simply delete a bone without getting major problems later on.


Yes, I am absolutely agree and understand you and appreciate your support. The mentioned bugs are very frustrating and annoying. Unfortunately, due to the state of things (described above) I cannot help here now.

What you can do in this situation:
* Post those bugs (each separately) with detailed steps to reproduce to this bugtracker.
* Submit a (small) bounty to Bountysource (as it was done here for memory usage bug).
* Share bounty link and convince other users to join and increase the bounty.

I am sure our (ex)hired developer Ivan Mahonin (the one who was working on Synfig for last 3 years) will be happy to fix the issue for you.

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Re: (Open-source) Animated short made with Synfig

Postby KonstantinDmitriev » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:33 am

Thank you for the kind words and support, Synme. ^__^

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Re: (Open-source) Animated short made with Synfig

Postby hulf2012 » Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:33 am

Mr Dmitriev

Thank You for take this project and upgrade it, even at your expense.

I haven't seen yet your animation. It's hard to choose in which subject use my time.

I'd wish it could be a better way to maintain Synfig. How Inkscape is maintained? Or Gimp? Or Blender?. Let me just leave here those questions.

Best wishes to all.

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Re: (Open-source) Animated short made with Synfig

Postby synme » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:52 am

One of the ways to make a donation, I think that those who succeed to make "sold work", or those who have a "youtube money" account.

Could affect at least a "small percentage" for a donation.


By the way: I create a cartoon, I will soon broadcast on youtube.

Brief me to make easy, and given ideas to the creator here, I have used only of the sound effects, and a few "arrrr mhmhmhmh gnagnagna" this is the kind used on some.
Big cartoon, broadcast in France on television.

Like this: oggy et les cafards
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... es+cafards

Like this: mölang
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... %C3%B6lang
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Re: (Open-source) Animated short made with Synfig

Postby Svarov » Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:17 am

Konstantin, thanks for taking time to answer all the comments. I can be rude sometimes and may not like your work, but I appreciate what you do for Synfig.
I'll consider a donation. Also, I was hoping to write some wiki articles (documentation is another weak spot of Synfig), but not sure when I get free time to do this.
My animations
Now working on: Fox model (making vector contour)

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Re: (Open-source) Animated short made with Synfig

Postby synme » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:01 am

List of sound library and sound effects:
I've tested, it's of good quality.


http://www.findsounds.com/ (english)
http://www.sound-fishing.net/ (french)
http://www.universal-soundbank.com/ (french - english)
http://lasonotheque.org/ (french)
http://www.freesound.org/ (english)
http://www.soundrangers.com/ (english)


http://www.bigsoundbank.com (english)
http://www.freesoundeffects.com (english)
http://www.sounddogs.com/ (english)(music without voice)
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Re: (Open-source) Animated short made with Synfig

Postby BobSynfig » Sun Oct 09, 2016 2:50 pm

Such resources should be added to the Wiki :D
Always check Wiki/FAQ first! - Use last builds (Stable 1.2.0/Dev 1.3.1), avoid 1.0.2!
Official Synfig Training Course - Buttons too big in Linux? - Google Translate may help


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